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#31 Cinnadog

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 11:23 AM

QUOTE(john @ Apr 10 2006, 11:34 AM) View Post

Chad, I can't wait until you are a dad. I really can't. Your life will turn absolutely upside down!


Agreed!

Of course, I guess once Chad has kids, we will never see him (or the kids) since he will be considerate enough never to bring them to restaurants, stores, church, etc. Enjoy your solitude and isolation Chad -- that's just what new parents need!

In all seriousness, I bet Chad will be a great Dad-- he'll be the one helping his daughter dress her Barbie dolls, trotting behind the wobbly bicycle, climbing the tree to get the ball stuck in the branches...and shooting daggers at anyone who looks disapprovingly when his little sweetie begins wailing at 30,000 feet in an airplane... And like all Dads, he'll be thinking, "I never imagined I could love someone so much to do these things!!!"

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 11:23 AM

QUOTE(swmr545 @ Apr 10 2006, 12:10 PM) View Post

If she covered herself up that would've been different. But while I am eating my dinner, I do not want to see any woman's breast, or a man's penis (don't know why they would take that out in the restaurant though). If she had put a blanket over her shoulder and the baby so her breast wasn't exposed, I wouldn't have had a problem. But once again, I don't want to see a bare breast just like I'm sure you don't want to see an exposed penis while eating your dinner.

'Cept boobs are prettier than pensises.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 11:35 AM

QUOTE(swmr545 @ Apr 10 2006, 12:10 PM) View Post

If she covered herself up that would've been different. But while I am eating my dinner, I do not want to see any woman's breast, or a man's penis (don't know why they would take that out in the restaurant though). If she had put a blanket over her shoulder and the baby so her breast wasn't exposed, I wouldn't have had a problem. But once again, I don't want to see a bare breast just like I'm sure you don't want to see an exposed penis while eating your dinner.


Swmr,
Surely equating a public view of a womans breast to a mans penis is not an equal comparison- other than how one was brought up and the social norms in this country...
would seeing a mans chest while eating be different than seeing a womans ?
I would guess that this may be because of how you (we)were brought up or your adversion to females in general ( I am just supposing here) ...
My thinking is that we in America have just a little bit of prudeness in us - developed and handed down through our parents, their parents and their parents... This is not a fault of yours ...

Personally - if we were not saddled by society to wear clothes - I would not and surely many others would not as well... and you would have entire restuarants filled with men , women and kids in the nude... ( although too cold this time of year) ...

As you are surely aware the human body is / should never be considered a shame to see.. especially when it is one nurturing a new life.... I find no fault in allowing a mother feeding her child in this or any other venue when the need arises...

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 12:32 PM

I am a breast feeding mother of a 3 month old and as far as the breastfeeding in a restaurant goes, by all means, cover up if you can. But what if she forgot a shawl or extra blanket. Lord knows there are so many things we need to tote with us, a cover up can easily be left behind. And really, how much "boob" could be exposed. What does peak out or over the bra is usually covered up by the babies head, and this is coming from as fairly well endowed mama. Also, I can understand an initial adjustment period (public breastfeeding is not something an average person sees everyday) but why did this continue to bother you? How close was she to you that you couldn't look away and/or focus on your meal and company?
Also, with regard to screaming children... by all means, if your child is screaming and you can't get them under control then yes, go home. Common Curtiousy. But to say that people with infants and/or small children shouldn't go out is ridiculous (especially grocery stores - HELLO? I actually did go home the first couple times my daughter was crying in the grocery store. But then it got to the point that I had to get some freaking groceries!) Not all of us have family to help us with our children and if you've read the papers these days, you'll know you need to be incredibility careful as to whom you allow to watch your babies. Being a new parent/s is far more trying than I think anyone could imagine and going out to eat is one of the very few luxuries new parents are allowed. So until you become a parent, please don’t talk to us about needing to make sacrifices.


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Posted 10 April 2006 - 12:58 PM

Great post FolsomLO! One thing I have to say is that I think it takes a lot of courage/confidence for a woman to breastfeed in a public place knowing that there are people out there who get "offended" by it. I'd say it's much more of a challenge for the mother than it is for anybody else to deal with.



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Posted 10 April 2006 - 03:13 PM

QUOTE(swmr545 @ Apr 10 2006, 12:10 PM) View Post

If she covered herself up that would've been different. But while I am eating my dinner, I do not want to see any woman's breast, or a man's penis (don't know why they would take that out in the restaurant though). If she had put a blanket over her shoulder and the baby so her breast wasn't exposed, I wouldn't have had a problem. But once again, I don't want to see a bare breast just like I'm sure you don't want to see an exposed penis while eating your dinner.


Swmr,

I find your opinions interesting, considering your public views on other subjects, including of course Gay Rights. Were I to say to you that members of the same sex should not be allowed to hold hands in public, simply because that sort of behavior might offend a few people, what would your response be?

When I was 18, I spent 2 months hitchhiking through europe with a buddy of mine. We ended up living on the beaches in the south of France for about a week. It was interesting how quickly 2 overly sexed 18 year old american guys can suddenly become Blasé about nudity when surrounded by it 24/7. It was literally only 2 days before we stopped noticing. By the end of the 7 days, we found ourselves more attracted to those women who wore tops, primarily because of allure of the unknown.

I'm now the father of 3 and have witnessed more breast feeding than you could possibly imagine. Not only my wife, but a majority of her friends as well. Since they were all in the mothering way at the same period in time since they were roughly the same ages. It's a natural act and should not be religated to the bathroom or car. I'll also say the majority of those women I have seen, do try to be as discreet as possible. Of course you might see a little skin but usually all the important parts are covered up by either the baby or the blouse. How can a few square inches of exposed skin cause such an uproar. As a man, I quickly was able to differentiate between a women baring ones breast to feed a child and one baring the same for "other reasons". They are mutually exclusive and have both appropriate places in our lives.

In other words, if you don't like it, don't look. It's not that hard to ignore.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE(Cinnadog @ Apr 10 2006, 12:23 PM) View Post

Agreed!

Of course, I guess once Chad has kids, we will never see him (or the kids) since he will be considerate enough never to bring them to restaurants, stores, church, etc. Enjoy your solitude and isolation Chad -- that's just what new parents need!

In all seriousness, I bet Chad will be a great Dad-- he'll be the one helping his daughter dress her Barbie dolls, trotting behind the wobbly bicycle, climbing the tree to get the ball stuck in the branches...and shooting daggers at anyone who looks disapprovingly when his little sweetie begins wailing at 30,000 feet in an airplane... And like all Dads, he'll be thinking, "I never imagined I could love someone so much to do these things!!!"

Something about having a kid that causes you to throw out every notion you ever had about parenting. They will break you down and build you back up again.

QUOTE(cw68 @ Apr 10 2006, 12:23 PM) View Post

'Cept boobs are prettier than pensises.

I wholeheartedly agree.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 04:36 PM

QUOTE(swmr545 @ Apr 10 2006, 12:10 PM) View Post

If she covered herself up that would've been different. But while I am eating my dinner, I do not want to see any woman's breast, or a man's penis (don't know why they would take that out in the restaurant though). If she had put a blanket over her shoulder and the baby so her breast wasn't exposed, I wouldn't have had a problem. But once again, I don't want to see a bare breast just like I'm sure you don't want to see an exposed penis while eating your dinner.


That is one heck of a stretch!

People who are uncomfortable around gays don't have to see you penises to be uncomforatable. Holding hands, sitting close together, sharing bites of food, those are the kinds of things that can be uncomfortable for those who get the willies around gays.

You have complained that you have the right to show affection just like everyone else, and I agree. But because of that position, it is surprising that you would object to a mother feeding her child. Isn't breast feeding one's child the ultimate in affection?


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Posted 10 April 2006 - 04:52 PM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Apr 10 2006, 05:25 PM) View Post

Something about having a kid that causes you to throw out every notion you ever had about parenting. They will break you down and build you back up again.
I wholeheartedly agree.


Absolutely True. I used to be an expert on raising children, then I had some.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 06:09 PM

I was a breastfeeding mother once upon a time, and I actually found it hard for my milk to come down if I thought anyone was watching me. If I had to nurse in public, I'd find a relatively private place, covered myself or got a booth seat and faced a corner. I know people find it objectionable and I don't need to make public breastfeeding my "cause", so I accommodated everyone, my baby, myself, and others nearby.

I do however find recently that there seem to be a few nursing women who want to be noticed while nursing. Not sure what that's about, but oh well.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 06:35 PM

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much better to have a breast feeding baby than one who is hungry


Who said not to feed the baby? There's a time and a place for everything:
When the baby is hungry, it is the time.
A public dinner table is not the place for a stranger's breast, no matter what is at the end of it.


That is my argument, that is my opinion. No where did I argue against breastfeeding or bash it. I didn't read swimmer say breastfeeding was bad-just breastfeeding in plain sight at a restuarant where others might be so uncomfortable they lost their appetite was way uncomfortable and led to an unpleasant dining experience for him and his mother.

Swimmer saw and was uncomfortable, therefore I deduce, there must not have been much of an attempt on the mother's part to limit the exposure of her breast and/or consider the feelings of the entire restaurant around her -folks she didn't not know, some whom do not have children therefore are most likely to lack an appreciation of breastfeeding a child for good health. Without a baby sucking on that nipple, it'd be indecent exposure.

In the right context, in the right environment, it is a-okay...even without a blankie across the front...but not in a restaurant. The baby could be fed elsewhere-it's not like the mother's going to loose her seat or have her dinner not served to her if she goes somewhere else.


It is not to say I have never fed in a public place, but NOT public view. Most women's restrooms in nicer places have grand waiting rooms w/couchs & seats that you can remove yourself to so you can feed your baby. There is no need to boob it all the way for strangers to watch. Had she been discreet, there would be no subject because it would not have knowingly been observed by others. It is not hard at all to be so discreet that no one knows what is going, for the breastfeeding mother, there are many, many options and items on the market to help her be sure to feed her baby no matter the situation.

On another note-most breastfeeding moms will tell you, you KNOW when you're going to need to be feeding your baby-your breasts have their own schedule, and it's usually quite regular-so are your baby's feeding habits...unless they're sick...to which they shouldn't be out at all. The vast majority of the time, you know when you will be needing to feed your baby...it's not like it's a huge surprise that your baby suddenly became hungry, and it's not like your breasts are always full too-they fill up, baby drains, time passes, they fill up, baby drains, time passes-it's not like a soda machine that can dispense whenever you push a button. It's safe to assume that the mother was aware she'd be feeding so she should have had an arsonal of baby feeding items on her...even if she plained on taking 15 mintues for dinner...and the arsonal should have included something to stick over the front of her.

In saying this, I am assuming she was bare breasted during the event, which is something I've seen in the store. Shirt way up, breast very exposed & an itty bitty baby suckling the end of it & the nipple could be seen. I wasn't the only woman taken aback, especially since I wasn't expecting on seeing it when I rounded the corner.

To me personally, it's something private and intimate and beautiful so I keep it private-I feel the same about my breasts, I think they're way great & can be fun and purposeful and even pretty, but I sure don't let strangers look at them nor do I expose them in public no matter what the circumstance. I don't feel it's right to let a stranger see my breasts. A doctor, well-chosen significant other, family-that's different, but not a room of strangers. And that is what the society I have grown up in has told me. Are we saying it is alright to expose your breast in public? For me, that is what this is about.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 06:54 PM

QUOTE(Terry @ Apr 10 2006, 07:09 PM) View Post

I was a breastfeeding mother once upon a time, and I actually found it hard for my milk to come down if I thought anyone was watching me.

Ahhhh...Shy Mammary Gland syndrome.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 07:14 PM

I give moms who breast feed a lot of credit and I support their desire and right to breast feed anywhere they want. However, I do think they should be discreet, and some moms just aren't. Most women cover themselves with a blanket. Some just whip out their breast and sit there exposed for a while continuing to prepare to feed. Even in a restaurant, if a mom forgets to bring a blanket or other suitable coverup, she could use a napkin or something to maintain her modesty.
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Posted 10 April 2006 - 10:05 PM

I'm a breastfeeding mom of a 5 1/2 month old. I wish our society would be more open about breastfeeding in public! I think if you're being discreet by covering up then it shouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't agree with that. Parent's make a lot of sacrifices but you shouldn't have to remove yourself from events/dinners/parties/shopping/etc for 20+ minutes just because you need to feed your child. All of those I have had to do because I know how uncomfortable people are even if you're covered up. Perhaps, if our society lightened up about this, more people would choose to breastfeed.

Yes, you can feed your baby in the bathroom. I've had to do this numerous times. What happens when the person in the next stall flushes and it interrupts the babies feedings??? You're stuck again with an unhappy baby. Not the best solution. A car is good but not always convenient. The Roseville Galleria has a nursing room in the family restroom but because toddlers are noisy it doesn't work either. I found dressing rooms to be an easier place to nurse in. I had to use a back room when I was at a christening for my niece. I was ready to nurse on the bench but got the impression the back room was preferred. Those are just a few examples of how inconvenient it can be because other people aren't comfortable with a completely natural act.

It's more work than it's worth to take a baby to a restaurant. I've only taken my daughter to 1 restaurant that was a sit down place. I was with a friend and I had to get up once to try to feed her in the bathroom and then someone flushed the toilet in the next stall...didn't work. I got up a couple more times and then she was great the rest of the time. It was too much work and I'd rather see a breastfeeding mom who was being discreet than to have a crying baby. I do believe parent's should respect others and remove their crying babies to calm them down.

Babies nurse for both nutrition and comfort. If a baby is well fed before going out they could still want to nurse for comfort. So you can't "prepare" your baby to not want to nurse before you go out. I've tried that and it always seems like they still want to nurse while they're out.

The only fair comparison of an exposed breast is a man's exposed chest. A penis exposed in public and a breast to feed a child aren't even close. I can't even believe that swmr made a comparison like that.

I do appreciate that Babies R Us has a nice mother's room that is quiet to feed your baby. It really helps when you're out to use it and not to have to go home or to the car. Thanks! I wish more places would have rooms like this.

There is so much more to talk about and I'm glad it's being discussed.


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Posted 11 April 2006 - 07:52 AM

I agree with dlutz.....if you didn't like what you saw, look the other way. I breastfed both of my kids and was never ever afraid to do it in public. As many have said, a quiet baby is better than a crying one....don't think anyone would disagree there. And it is not always possible to work around the baby's schedule...especially as young infants because they feed more "on demand" and I am not one to mold my life around my kids.....meaning I'm not going to stop going out to eat just because I have a baby. That's ludicrous. Sure, I don't do it as often as I used to, but I have every right to be there as anyone else. Oh, and I was always discreet, always put a blanket over me and the baby. I never got any offending looks. Bottom line is that the mother was doing nothing illegal. I would think that someone in your position would be more forgiving in a situation like that.....I am sure you've dealt with plenty of discriminating feelings/issues yourself.




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