Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting: Newtown, Connecticut
#211
Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:07 PM
of armed guards. Now where do we get the millions of dollars to do it. Then we can't stop with schools,
we will need to do it at colleges, churches, etc.
#212
Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:29 PM
I guess a 20 foot electrified fence around all schools, one entrance with metal detectors and a couple
of armed guards. Now where do we get the millions of dollars to do it. Then we can't stop with schools,
we will need to do it at colleges, churches, etc.
dont forget you wil need to erect 30 foot high sandbag barriers on roads, streets and avenues and alleys to protect pedestrians on sidewalks
and 50 cal gunners enforcing traffic from the roof top
#213
Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:56 PM
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#214
Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:34 PM
Seems to me the lowest cost and most effective deterrent is to have a few willing staff attend state sponsored concealed carry classes. They would have to qualify on their weapon, and stay current with it. Just like arming pilots, you get qualified personnel that not only act as a deterrent because the insane guy would never know who was carrying and who wasn't AND if something actually did happen, there is immediate response to the situation. For those that are appalled by the idea, what is the difference between a policeman with a gun ( a trusted person who is qualified to carry) and a teacher with a gun (also a trusted person who could be qualified)?
yeah.. I can really see that flying through the teacher unions... only able bodied may apply (lawsuit #1), Only mentally stable may apply (lawsuit #2), and what is the difference between a teacher and a cop with a gun? Are you serious? You don't think children wont forever be scarred by seeing their teacher draw a bead on someone, even if they don't actually shoot? Let's all be realistic and a little think about this with clear minds for a minute. Keep the cops jobs with cops and keep the teachers focused on teaching kids.
Am I ok with cops on campus in a protective and passive capacity? Sure. But I flat out don't what a bunch of them armed and clothed in ninja or swatt clothes walking around my kids school. I also do not want them actively interacting with the children. they need to be invisible, just like they are in real life. a uniform just floating down the hallway.
#215
Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:01 PM
yeah.. I can really see that flying through the teacher unions... only able bodied may apply (lawsuit #1), Only mentally stable may apply (lawsuit #2), and what is the difference between a teacher and a cop with a gun? Are you serious? You don't think children wont forever be scarred by seeing their teacher draw a bead on someone, even if they don't actually shoot? Let's all be realistic and a little think about this with clear minds for a minute. Keep the cops jobs with cops and keep the teachers focused on teaching kids.
Am I ok with cops on campus in a protective and passive capacity? Sure. But I flat out don't what a bunch of them armed and clothed in ninja or swatt clothes walking around my kids school. I also do not want them actively interacting with the children. they need to be invisible, just like they are in real life. a uniform just floating down the hallway.
I'd be just fine with the principal carrying a concealed weapon. In the time it takes the cops to get there it's too late. People need to change the way they think and be prepared for these odd ball situations.
And you say you're ok with a cop there but not the principal carrying a weapon? I'd rather have no cops and a subtle form of protection.
And if it all boils down to the teachers union then we might as well have a bunch of dolts like "the professor" making all the decisions since our input won't mean squat. And BTW, "the professor" has never once stated any solution to a problem, all he does is complain and fire off one liners. Teachers at their best!
#216
Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:24 PM
Two, as much as I am for firearm ownership, I am also a proponent of a firearm free campus.
Three, in the past year we have had more children permanently scarred by inappropriate sexual contact in California schools than all children dying by gunfire in the us. I really don't want to arm these pedophiles and give them license to carry a weapon on campus. ( ok- that sounds harsh- but there really are some crazy people out there that are attracted to kids- and we all know that to be true)
Finally, I don't ever want to see a situation where a student and teacher get into a confrontation about grades or performance and it turn into a situation where a teacher is over powered, loses control of the situation and we have a sandy hook part 2.
I'm sure we can find a a more passive and diligent manner to prevent firearms from entering schools. I just don't think bringing more firearms to schools is the right idea.
#217
Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:14 AM
All this talk doesn't really solve the problem with the mass shootings we've been seeing. We need first to address the mental health issues and society's preoccupation with death and violence.
I personally doubt that congress will actually pass any meaningful legislation addressing mental health and violence. Instead they'll restrict what types of guns you can purchase, maybe tax your bullets more, create more "no gun" zones, and the like, all while people continue to die at the hands of those who should not have access to weapons.
#218
Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:45 AM
#219
Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:02 PM
1) Being a teacher / administrator is not mutually exclusive with gun proficiency.
2) Teachers and administrators have a right to protect themselves at/to/from work just like the rest of the population, especially in the absence of other enforcement.
Should we encourage a teacher to carry / use a weapon? No, it's a personal choice to exercise this right. Should we prohibit their ability to protect themselves? No, they have a right to life just like any other person. Who are we to say that they shouldn't protect themselves? If one is not comfortable, home school or find another school that is more 'comfortable' in one's mind. That's is in the domain of one's rights. This prohibition: One's comfort should not inhibit the safety of another.
#220
Posted 23 December 2012 - 06:02 PM
What has you so bent up on banning an assault rifle? Can you please define exactly what an assault rifle is and how it is so bad that it needs to be banned? Please also clearly define how it is different than a deer hunting or ranch rifle that may commonly be owned by ranchers, hunters, sportsmen, recreational target shooters. ThanksI admit that mental health issues need addressing....can you admit no civilian needs a f..king assault riffle!?!
Actually this video may help you and others uncertain what an assault weapon is.
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