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#16 Steve Heard

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 09:44 PM

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I just saw a report on channel 13 and the family is saying the officers used too much force and they may seek retribution. They're the ones who called law enforcement for help and since the ending turned out bad they're to blame? Thank you to all law enforcement for putting your lives on the line while seeking safety for our community!!!

I saw the report and the seemed upset, but the young man's brother said that he was the one who called, and he warned the cops that his brother was armed.

In their moments of shock and grief, of course they will want answers and to place blame. Yes, they will say that killing their brother wasn't the kind of help they were seeking when they called. Still, they seemed, in the report I saw, to understand that the cops didn't have a lot of choice here.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 09:47 PM

QUOTE (stevethedad @ Apr 12 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I saw the report and the seemed upset, but the young man's brother said that he was the one who called, and he warned the cops that his brother was armed.

In their moments of shock and grief, of course they will want answers and to place blame. Yes, they will say that killing their brother wasn't the kind of help they were seeking when they called. Still, they seemed, in the report I saw, to understand that the cops didn't have a lot of choice here.


The kid looked like a 98 lb weakling from the photo they showed, I don't see how the taser had no effect. And if the kid hand't eaten for days he was probably pretty weak. Doesn't add up. I'm thinking the cops blew it on this one.
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#18 Steve Heard

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 09:49 PM

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The kid looked like a 98 lb weakling from the photo they showed, I don't see how the taser had no effect. And if the kid hand't eaten for days he was probably pretty weak. Doesn't add up. I'm thinking the cops blew it on this one.

Time will tell, but a hungry person can be very dangerous, particularly if there is mental illness involved.

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#19 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 09:52 PM

This is a sad tragedy for all involved, the family and the officers. No officer wants to take someone's life.

I'd suggest all of us offering our prayers to the family and officers. Let the details and emotions all work themselves out without adding to this tragedy.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 06:44 AM

Why was the mentally ill victim shot 3 times? Seems unneccessary given the circumstances. Unecessary excessivive force unfortunately is used to subdue mentally ill people. I wonder if there is some kind of tranquilizer gun they could use like they do on wild animals. Tazers seem to not work very well and cause some to die too. Mentally ill people have hallucinations and cannot act on their own free will and can't distinguish what is real and what is not. Most of these mentally ill people are not violent, but have lapses in taking their medications which leads to their symptoms, which then leads to these outbursts. In this day and age there should be some way to subdue the ill person and get them help. The officers used what tools they had and they aren't peace officers. They are cops and their goal is to protect others and themselves, not the mentally ill person. Maybe if there is a 5150 there could be specially trained officers that can use different methods such as backing off and waiting until the person quiets down or using a tranquilizer gun.
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 06:54 AM

It's too bad we don't have phasers that can be set to stun and work like they do on Star Trek. And as for one person's recommendation on gassing him out, it's also a shame we don't have sleep gas canisters, instead of just tear gas. A canister that uses laughing gas like some dentists use could work wonders for peacefully subduing armed individuals.
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 07:17 AM

don't blame the cops, they did what they had to.
You don't know if it was mental illness, he could have been on meth or heroin. The autopsy will tell.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 07:24 AM

Wow that guy looks just like the professor of a class I should attend in 37 minutes, guess it's time to get out of bed.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 08:20 AM

I have seen tv stories where the cops have evacuated the house and surrounded it and then tried to talk to the person using family or a doctor cause deep down even crazy folks don't like to get shot. It would take more time to do it that way but I would bet the paperwork after you shoot a person will also take a lot of time.

I would think when you go charging in on a crazy or drug person who has a knife and he doesn't put it down you have to shoot the person, and the cops have to be glad it was just a knife and not a gun the kid had.

as far as the old sirens go, they ought to have some rules about sirens after 10pm like they do loud parties. I think deep down cops and fireman like to run the sirens

heck if I did a ride along I would ask if I could hit the lights and sirens

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 08:55 AM


Sad situation. 'nuff said.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 09:46 AM

QUOTE (asbestoshills @ Apr 13 2009, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why was the mentally ill victim shot 3 times? Seems unneccessary given the circumstances. Unecessary excessivive force unfortunately is used to subdue mentally ill people. I wonder if there is some kind of tranquilizer gun they could use like they do on wild animals. Tazers seem to not work very well and cause some to die too. Mentally ill people have hallucinations and cannot act on their own free will and can't distinguish what is real and what is not. Most of these mentally ill people are not violent, but have lapses in taking their medications which leads to their symptoms, which then leads to these outbursts. In this day and age there should be some way to subdue the ill person and get them help. The officers used what tools they had and they aren't peace officers. They are cops and their goal is to protect others and themselves, not the mentally ill person. Maybe if there is a 5150 there could be specially trained officers that can use different methods such as backing off and waiting until the person quiets down or using a tranquilizer gun.


My understanding of tranquilizer guns/darts is that they take some time to go into effect. The taser should have been effective, but it apparently wasn't. They aren't foolproof. A person with a knife, which is a very deadly weapon BTW, can cover 10-15 in a second or so. It's not like the officers would have had a lot of time to decide what course of action to take. It is very sad that this man died and I imagine it is very difficult for the police officers involved as well.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 09:51 AM

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OMG, that is dreadful for everyone involved. I have faith that the good people of this forum will keep the judgements and speculation to a minimum out of respect for the family and officers involved.



Sigh... apparently my faith was misplaced.
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 09:56 AM

Last week 3 Police officers in Pittsburgh, Pa. lost their lives after being called for a domestic disturbance. Two or three weeks ago 4 Oakland Police officers were killed by a nut case thug. Sorry, but I am not placing any of the blame on the cops. You go after a cop with a knife and don't go down when tazered, you are going to be shot and enough times to make sure you stay down. The Police protected themselves and everyone else in the house.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 10:23 AM

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Sigh... apparently my faith was misplaced.


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Posted 13 April 2009 - 10:57 AM

I am truly sorry for this family's loss. I'm not going to armchair quarterback the police response. Tasers don't always work. When someone repeatedly comes after you with a knife, you aren't left with a lot of options. I don't care how much training you've had in weapons disarms. The situation could have ended up with a family member or the police force hurt.

Perhaps some of the second-guessers would have been happier with an outcome like this?

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