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[camay2327]

It's in America now.........

 

FBI probing suspect's recent conversion to Islam in Oklahoma beheading

FBI officials are investigating a beheading at an Oklahoma food distribution center after co-workers said the suspect tried to convert them to Islam after his recent conversion.

 

The alleged suspect, Alton Nolen, 30, was recently fired from Vaughan Foods in Moore prior to Thursday’s attack. Moore Police Department Sgt. Jeremy Lewis told KFOR that Nolen drove to the front of the business and struck a vehicle before walking inside. He then attacked Colleen Hufford, 54, stabbing her several times before severing her head. He also stabbed another woman, 43-year-old Traci Johnson, at the plant.

 

Lewis said Mark Vaughan, the company’s chief operating officer and a reserve county deputy, shot Nolen as he was stabbing Johnson, who remains hospitalized in stable condition Friday.

 

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http://www.foxnews.c...ter-police-say/

 

 

[caligirlz]

How can someone be "allegedly" beheaded? It should be quite clear if they have been beheaded or not.

 

 

 

An Oklahoma woman who worked at a food processing plant was allegedly beheaded by a man recently fired by the workplace.

Police responded to Vaughan Foods in Moore County Thursday afternoon...When officers arrived, they allegedly found a woman had been beheaded."

http://www.huffingto..._n_5888500.html

 

more: http://www.wptv.com/...ahoma-workplace

 

 

 

 

 

[camay2327]

Here's more..

 

http://news.yahoo.co...-144459291.html

[Rich_T]

However you weigh in on the gun ownership debate, aren't you glad that the COO was able to shoot the guy to prevent more killing?  There was no time to wait for a police response.

[caligirlz]

How can someone be "allegedly" beheaded? It should be quite clear if they have been beheaded or not.

 

 

 

As I suspected, the people who say allegedly, for whatever reason, don't believe what they are reporting...and choose to add doubt to the news.

And then there's the UK news services that use "ample" all the time, or "she fell pregnant"...sure, whatever...

[TruthSeeker]

How can someone be "allegedly" beheaded? It should be quite clear if they have been beheaded or not.

 

 

more: http://www.wptv.com/...ahoma-workplace

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I suspected, the people who say allegedly, for whatever reason, don't believe what they are reporting...and choose to add doubt to the news.

And then there's the UK news services that use "ample" all the time, or "she fell pregnant"...sure, whatever...

 

 

According to CNN:  "Earlier Friday, U.S. law enforcement officials said there were no indication the attack was linked to terrorism."

 

No indication?  Could the fact that it was a beheading be an indication?  Or - CNN - was this just "another" workplace beheading?  Seriously.

 

In other news, CNN reports that there's no indication that this morning's traffic accident was related to automobiles . . .

 

 

This is how modern news agency's work these days. It all depends who owns them as to what type of news you'll be fed.

However you weigh in on the gun ownership debate, aren't you glad that the COO was able to shoot the guy to prevent more killing?  There was no time to wait for a police response.

 

 

Amen to that! Did you also hear about the transient who broke into a house and chased a woman up onto the roof where she tried to hide? If she had a gun and training she could have better protected herself and family by shooting the criminal at the door.

[supermom]

 

As I suspected, the people who say allegedly, for whatever reason, don't believe what they are reporting...and choose to add doubt to the news.

And then there's the UK news services that use "ample" all the time, or "she fell pregnant"...sure, whatever...

Hey! you can fall on a fetus!

This isnt really terrorism. 

This is just work place murder. Plain and simple.

 

And the title of the article PMO. The journalist acts like beheadings are only the act of terrorists- never a murderer? And he imtimates that the act of beheading is new in America... but its not.

 

Just another racist writing up an article.

[The Average Joe]

Pointing out the FACT that there is one particular belief system that accounts for the vast majority of  such crimes is NOT racism. I'm sure you think the Ft. Hood massacre was workplace violence as well...

[supermom]

I didnt point out a belief system - yet, at all. Neither did the author of this article. The author merely stated that muslims are bringing a new concept of beheadings to America. That is racism. 

 

Whether you want to accept that or not- because of your beliefs of how muslims place religion/war/values etc in the world as you see them.

 

 

The lack of outrage in this quite telling in the type of people who read this junk online. 

 

If you really think this article was ok, then you are a racist. You may try to justify your beliefs, but the fact is, no one should be generalized the way this author has done so.

[dimeracer]

I didnt point out a belief system - yet, at all. Neither did the author of this article. The author merely stated that muslims are bringing a new concept of beheadings to America. That is racism. 

 

 

 

No, re-read the article.  The author didn't "state" that.  The author was quoting a spokesman for the Islamic community in that area.

 

"Saad Mohammad, a spokesman for the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, told NewsOK.com that leaders of the society’s mosque are taking security precautions to protect Muslims who gather there from any potential retaliatory violence.

Mohammad said any anti-Muslim sentiments local residents might have could be heightened due to the beheadings and violence overseas by Islamic State militants.

“They have this ISIS thing on their minds and now this guy has brought it to America,” Mohammad told the website."

[supermom]

The title of the actual article sets the tone for the racism of this article. No refute by anyone is necessary. 

[Homer]

It's in America now.........

 

FBI probing suspect's recent conversion to Islam in Oklahoma beheading

FBI officials are investigating a beheading at an Oklahoma food distribution center after co-workers said the suspect tried to convert them to Islam after his recent conversion.

 

The alleged suspect, Alton Nolen, 30, was recently fired from Vaughan Foods in Moore prior to Thursday’s attack. Moore Police Department Sgt. Jeremy Lewis told KFOR that Nolen drove to the front of the business and struck a vehicle before walking inside. He then attacked Colleen Hufford, 54, stabbing her several times before severing her head. He also stabbed another woman, 43-year-old Traci Johnson, at the plant.

 

Lewis said Mark Vaughan, the company’s chief operating officer and a reserve county deputy, shot Nolen as he was stabbing Johnson, who remains hospitalized in stable condition Friday.

 

// see the rest below //

 

http://www.foxnews.c...ter-police-say/

 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately all the publicity and success isis has had recently has given all the sub-human loser sociopath nut jobs like Nolen a cause to unite behind. 

[Rich_T]

If you really think this article was ok, then you are a racist. You may try to justify your beliefs, but the fact is, no one should be generalized the way this author has done so.

 

Are you referring to the Fox link?   I am fine with the article.  I don't know which "generalization" you mean - because "Islam" and "beheading" was linked?  If so, then that's exactly what has been in the news later, so it makes sense.  It's not a condemnation of Islam per se, it's a condemnation of the ISIS variety of Islam.  If the killer was a recent convert, then resorted to beheading, it's worth checking the link between the two, even if it turns out that he just got the idea for a beheading from current headlines.  This is not the same as "racism", which would be to discriminate against Muslims (if they were a race, which they're not) because of a false claim that they are all potential beheaders.

 

In fact, I just dismiss the silly word "racist" in today's online debates, which is typically misused to refer to anyone who discusses racial topics (or here, even a topic that refers to a religion other than that which is practiced by the American majority).  The word has no sting left because of this misuse.  Surely (hopefully) you can distinguish between (1) acknowledging that Group A disproportionately (or even virtually solely) does a given bad thing, and (2) using that fact to disadvantage all members of Group A.  If you can make that distinction, then you can also distinguish between mentioning racial topics (1) and actual racism (2), and you will only use the word "racist" in the latter case.  And I don't see that happening here.

[The Average Joe]

So should we ignore the fact that he was Muslim? Sorry, it's not racist to point out facts. If I am assaulted by someone, and they need a description for police to be on the lookout for, if I give the suspects race or other pertinent details, it is not racist, sexist or any other generic straw man. It is FACT. And besides, do you even know what racism is? Being Muslim is not a racial characteristic. Claims of false racism do more harm to actual cases of racism than any possible good.

Sorry Super. You're just wrong on this one.