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[rpo]

Why do we need to learn these individuals identities? Because it gives context as to why they are important historical figures. Who they were is just as important as to the contributions they made to society.
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Just to add on a bit here......

It is because of who those people are that makes their contributions important to society.

[Robert Giacometti]

Who they were is just as important as to the contributions they made to society.

I have to respectfully disagree with this.

I don't care WHO discovers a cure for cancer, I'm grateful for that contribution. The world will be better off because of the cure for cancer, NOT who it was who discovers it. If the person who finds a cure for cancer is Italian or Irish or Black, that doesn't change the significance that there is a cure for cancer.

[caligirlz]

When it comes to sexual orientation, I think that is a lesson best not taught to children, they can learn that when they are older. As children, they should learn about the things they can readily see, like a black president, a female asian astronaut, a hispanic doctor, a native american indian scientist, etc. NOT that they choose to have sex in a manner that doesn't lead to procreation. Some topics are not for children, being Gay is one of those IMO.

Totally agree, and this is a topic that should be taught by the parents, not the government (aka school).

[Chris]

So wrong to do this and force another radical "gay agenda" action item down our throats...! This is the job of the parents and not the Nanny state....! I can do this myself and have done so by exposing them to the likes of Walt Whitman and other "gays" in history..... This is my job, not Californias.....! Yet another reason to vote against the radical gay agenda every time I can....! Sexuality of historical figures should not be discussed in 3rd grade or even up to 8th grade....! I think the main problem here is that the radical gays think of themselves as "gay" and that is the number one identifier of them and their existence and they must share that fact all the time and enforce it on others. Sexuality, although very important, should be several steps down on the list of who you really are and how you interact with others in society. Be who you are but play your "sexual" cards close to your vest, the rest of us really don't care which way you swing and really don't want to know about it anyway....! Just call me old fashioned....! Chris

[swmr545]

Yes, it does. If I have sex with a man, that makes me gay.

If I am straight and later in life don't have sex, that still makes me straight.

So yes, sexual activity DOES define sexual orientation.

Then there are bi-sexual people who dabble in both straight and gay sex, then there are tri-sexual people... they'll "try" anything

I disagree. There are men that engage in relations with other men but don't consider themselves to be either gay or bi, since they are in love with their wife/gf. Is a priest who remains celibate and has never had any sex at all considered straight if he's attracted to women but does not engage sexually with them? If a young woman is abstaining from sex until marriage but is actively dating men, does that mean she's not straight until she has sex?

[rpo]

Then you try and mix race together with sex.....give me a fricking break!

The arguments being used against same-sex marriage are the same as were used before interracial marriage was legalized 50 years ago. In fact, at the time that became legal in all 50 states, a significantly higher percentage of the country was against it compared to todays percentages of support for same-sex marriage.

[cw68]

Oh sure, in very rare instances, a gay male might not be having sex with another male. But the numbers of AIDS cases doesn't indicate that to be the case.

O.M.G. Really?!

[caligirlz]

I disagree. There are men that engage in relations with other men but don't consider themselves to be either gay or bi, since they are in love with their wife/gf. Is a priest who remains celibate and has never had any sex at all considered straight if he's attracted to women but does not engage sexually with them? If a young woman is abstaining from sex until marriage but is actively dating men, does that mean she's not straight until she has sex?

Your line of questions is RIDICULOUS

I gotta hand it to you swmr, you sure know how to twist the questions to "attempt" to get people riled up, or elicit a "desired" response. Did you learn that in your college psychology class, or perhaps in politics....no, actually, I think you learned in your LGBT change agent class. I've attended quite a few of the "change agent" classes myself.

Oh come ON!!!!

Don't you think the posters on this forum are intelligent enough to figure out how you are trying to obscure this issue with semantics and double speak?

What is your major in college? Politics????

Your tactics here are getting very predictable and becoming comedy.

And you are insulting all us us by thinking we are buying this crap you call logic.

YEP, it's getting very predictable, humorous, and well... actually kind of sad, and I've only been reading the political forum for a very short time.

I have a challenge for you swmr, I challenge you to post only ONE topic in the political section per day, not 2, not 3, do you think you can do it?

[rpo]

....no, actually, I think you learned in your LGBT change agent class. I've attended quite a few of the "change agent" classes myself.

Wow.

[old soldier]

While I actually agree with you, there is no evidence of a "gay gene" that I am aware of. Many think environment plays a role (the ol heredity v. environment debate). So while I think it is hard wired, you can't just make a blanket statement and call it good. There are also many gay people who embrace the "lifestyle."

this gay thing is push push push, rather than making sure there is no descrimination . those gay parades don't help, demanding the term marriage rather than civil union and it goes on.

I can see a demand for gay booths at school events, with slogans like "try it you might like it" I am sure glad in my day this sex stuff ended with an awkward conversation with a parent about "the birds and the bees"