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[asbestoshills]

Grrr-anyone remember Reginald Deney? Last time I checked there was plenty of press on this, so not sure about the double standard. Obama spoke before he knew the entire truth, but so did a lot of other people did too. No one knows what happened except the two involved and any witnessess there may have been. Now, the Black Panthers are the same as the KKK and the KKK even have parades and events all over the USA. Fringe groups do not REPRESENT most Americans and I think you are trying to incite posters with your topic title.

[Steve Heard]

Grrr-anyone remember Reginald Deney? Last time I checked there was plenty of press on this, so not sure about the double standard. Obama spoke before he knew the entire truth, but so did a lot of other people did too. No one knows what happened except the two involved and any witnessess there may have been. Now, the Black Panthers are the same as the KKK and the KKK even have parades and events all over the USA. Fringe groups do not REPRESENT most Americans and I think you are trying to incite posters with your topic title.

Well said.

The fringe group calling themselves the 'new black panther party' is definitely in the same category as the KKK, neo-Nazi's, Aryan Resistance and other hate groups. They are allowed to operate because of freedom of speech and assembly.

Having said that, they bring a shameful stain on black americans because of their ignorant rhetoric that many whites take as representative of blacks in general.

I've been black all my life, and I've met a few loonies in my day, but these guys make me sick. The don't represent me, and I've never heard anyone I've been around give them the time of day. They are not relevant to us.

To be sure, the greatest threat to black people in this country is other black people and the total lack of leadership in the black community.

George Zimmerman was wrong to get out of his car and follow that young man, and may or may not have been defending himself when he shot him, but how many blacks have been mercilessly killed by other black people, hoodie or not?

Race relations are surely suffering in this country, but calls for a race war are nothing new. Whites started killing blacks after emancipation, burned black-owned homes and businesses and lynched thousands with impugnity in the decades since. Charles Manson's goal with his killings, in fact, was to start a race war.

Visit youtube and find more videos from people trying to start, promote or predict a race war, both black and white.

Saner heads always prevail, as they will this time. I don't think there's a sane person on this planet who thinks that we can have a race war in this country.

[nhardy]

Visit youtube and find more videos from people trying to start, promote or predict a race war, both black and white.

How to start a race war: (SFW)

[Robert Giacometti]

Well said.

The fringe group calling themselves the 'new black panther party' is definitely in the same category as the KKK, neo-Nazi's, Aryan Resistance and other hate groups. They are allowed to operate because of freedom of speech and assembly.

Having said that, they bring a shameful stain on black americans because of their ignorant rhetoric that many whites take as representative of blacks in general.

I've been black all my life, and I've met a few loonies in my day, but these guys make me sick. The don't represent me, and I've never heard anyone I've been around give them the time of day. They are not relevant to us.

To be sure, the greatest threat to black people in this country is other black people and the total lack of leadership in the black community.

George Zimmerman was wrong to get out of his car and follow that young man, and may or may not have been defending himself when he shot him, but how many blacks have been mercilessly killed by other black people, hoodie or not?

Race relations are surely suffering in this country, but calls for a race war are nothing new. Whites started killing blacks after emancipation, burned black-owned homes and businesses and lynched thousands with impugnity in the decades since. Charles Manson's goal with his killings, in fact, was to start a race war.

Visit youtube and find more videos from people trying to start, promote or predict a race war, both black and white.

Saner heads always prevail, as they will this time. I don't think there's a sane person on this planet who thinks that we can have a race war in this country.

Well said!

[Steve Heard]

Steve, I wish I could believe your sincerity in your statements. But I remember when you were much more paranoid about your daughter being accused of shop lifting, because she was black, than if she really had committed the crime. Like nobody here has ever had a teen get into trouble? Teens act up and make mistakes, but your first thought was if she had been picked on because of her race.

Maxine, with all due respect, it doesn't matter much if you believe my sincerity or not.

Having said that, your topic title and description, "Safety Alert! Your Lives Are In Danger! open season on white people", may be considered insincere by some, inflammatory by others, offensive and misleading.

I've also found that starting off a conversation by accusing one of paranoia doesn't usually result in civil discourse, but I'll give it a shot.

What you call me being paranoid was my reaction to the mistreatment of my daughter and her friend (who is not black, by the way), by some rude and poorly trained store employees. Through it all, and after communicating with the store, the employees did not make the claim of misbehavior by my daughter or her friend. If that had been the case, I'm sure they would said so.

There are many people in this world who treat customers differently if they are of a different race. I recall you yourself saying that your employees refuse to serve black customers because they are combative. Surely you are not suggesting that such attitudes exist only in your company. Is it much of a stretch to imagine it happening elsewhere?

I remember your comments in the past were always much more sympathetic to blacks and their sufferings of the past by the hands of whites, than how things have changed in todays world, with more blacks in respected positions and making more money. Are you now trying to be more policticaly correct due to having business ads here?

I call it like I see it. Being a black person and growing up in the 60' and 70's, I have countless tales I could tell about what I've experienced and seen. Are my opinions colored, so to speak, by those experiences? Of course. That doesn't mean that I don't know right from wrong, nor that I can't look at both sides of a story.

Politcally correct? Hardly. I just call it like I see it, and while I am sure that there are people who would refuse to do business with me because of my politics or my race, there are enough out there who care more about my ability to help them with their real estate needs that I am able to provide for my family.

Speaking of that, I pulled up to a home for sale a couple of weeks ago. When I arrived, there were 2 women out front. I assumed that one was a Realtor and the other the customer. They locked up, put the key in the lock box and left.

I got out of my car and went to open the same lockbox. It was then that the woman across the court called out to me, "um....can I help you?" I said, "I'm sorry, what?". She repeated, more firmly this time, "Can I help you with something?" "No thanks", I replied, and went about my business. Did she approach me because I'm black? I'll never know. For all I know, she's a very helpful person who likes offering her helpful service to all who pass. She may have even offered to help the 2 women who viewed the home before I did. I'll never know. It sure seemed odd.

I believe things in the past must remain in the past if we are to go forward and have a healthy society. But that would mean blacks must let it go and stop bemoaning the treatment that our white ancestors gave them. I wasn’t alive back then, so why must I be made to feel I must do something to make everything right again? And just what would I do, if I could?

It is said that those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. Things may be gone, but not forgotten. It is best not to dwell on the past, but we can't pretend these things did not occur. I don't expect you to do anything about what your white ancestors (or mine, or Obama's) did, and very few blacks expect you to. I think more blacks are concerned that beliefs and attitudes from back then prevail today among many.

I don't have all the answers on racial healing, but I do know that ignoring the problem hasnt' worked too well. I think we must confront issues, not pretend they don't exist.

You feel the way you do in part because of your past experiences, do you not.

I don’t agree that a person, any person, should be attacked violently, for following another person. What harm could it have done for Trayvon to have answered Zimmerman when asked why he was walking around in after dark? Zimmerman is an adult and Trayvon a minor. Did it ever occur to anyone that Zimmerman was trying to keep the kid from getting into trouble?

By the actions of Trayvon, it sounds to me as if he had something to hide. Why attack someone if not to hush them up? I think it was unwise to approach Trayvon, not WRONG, and would have been better if Zimmerman had just stepped out of sight and then called the police. He didn’t, and now I bet he wished he had never even had been a volunteer to patrol his apartment complex. Or, glad that he had a gun to defend himself and esacped with his life.

I agree. No one should be violently attacked for following another person. No one should be shot for resisting someone who followed him. Have you ever been followed by a stanger on a dark night? What do you do? Run? What if he had run, would that confirm in Zimmerman's mind that he was 'up to no good'? Would he have continued to pursue him? He was armed and on watch.

According to the account by Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, he was on the phone with her, was concerned about the guy following him, and was scared. She said she heard Zimmerman ask, 'What are you doing around here?'. That account differs from Zimmerman's.

You are incorrect. Zimmerman had indeed called the police, and the dispatcher advised him against getting out of his car and following the kid.

We could say, 'If only Trayvon hadn't been at his dad's that night', or 'If only Travyon hadn't gone out for candy that night', or 'If only Trayvon hadn't been wearing a hoodie', or 'If only he'd have answered Zimmerman's questions'.

We can also say, 'If only Zimmerman had done his duties as watch captain and called the police and let them handle it.'

Zimmerman has been arrested and charged with second degree murder. It's not because of Obama, or the protests, or the black panther party, although there are probably more than a few people who believe otherwise. I believe it is because of the results of the investigation.

Further, I find it best to not comment to those I wish to do business with when the subject is sensitive. I keep my feelings to myself at work and with those I work with. It's not wrong, just wise.

I agree. You should keep that stance.

As for me, I'll always be honest with my opinions. Maybe it will cost me some business, but then again, not all business is good business, and you can't please everyone.

[Steve Heard]

You sound like you have made up your mind about Zimmerman’s guilt. I’ve heard many things and most are probably wrong as they come from less than reliable sources. So until Zimmerman goes to trial, I’ll wait until the man goes through due process. If he is found guilty of cold blooded murder, he should go to prison as the court sees fit. But, I’d suggest that before you condemn a person, you give him what the courts give him and that is innocent until proven guilty.

Only you know what is in your heart, but I have a feeling that if Zimmerman goes free, you will feel it an injustice. And that is your right.

Is seems you have made up your mind about Zimmerman's innocence. You said, "I don’t agree that a person, any person, should be attacked violently, for following another person" as if you know that is what happened.

No, I haven't made up my mind about Zimmerman's guilt. Like you, all I know is what I've read, seen and heard in the news. I heard the tape of Zimmerman saying he was going to follow Trayvon, and heard the dispatcher advise against it.

I have a feeling that if Zimmerman is convicted, you will say that it was due to fear of riots and/or pressure from the Obama administration.

[4thgenFolsomite]

wait a minute. did you say its open season on white people? do you need tags or a license and is there a limit?

[SunshineServices]

My title to this thread is a reflection of the fear many white people now have. You have a right to your opinion though.

We all have a point of view about things and sometimes our experiences color those views.
I grew up in a black community and have had some experiences myself. I’ve also had some experiences with black people as an adult. Some have been pleasant, some I’ve felt I was being treated nicely, but the treatment was insincere. Call it a gut feeling, but not everyone is as they appear to be, black or otherwise.

As to my business, my employees are free agents and can pick and choose for themselves whom they have business relations with. I do not demand my employees work in any way that they see as dangerous or not beneficial to their ability to earn an income, and I can not, due to them being free agents. I try to place difficult people with agents they will find agreeable, however these clients are not always black. As you very well know, there are difficult people in every race. But as some of my employees have expressed to me their fear of being sued or attacked, it brought up the issue of angry black males and how they felt working with them. I respect their right to chose, that’s all. Some of my employees have been threatened, stalked and accused of not working as hard as they should due to being racist. I can’t dictate that they accept that kind of treatment.

You sound like you have made up your mind about Zimmerman’s guilt. I’ve heard many things and most are probably wrong as they come from less than reliable sources. So until Zimmerman goes to trial, I’ll wait until the man goes through due process. If he is found guilty of cold blooded murder, he should go to prison as the court sees fit. But, I’d suggest that before you condemn a person, you give him what the courts give him and that is innocent until proven guilty.

Only you know what is in your heart, but I have a feeling that if Zimmerman goes free, you will feel it an injustice. And that is your right.

Enough said...have the last word if you want.

Oh Maxine, wow. If Zimmerman goes free, I too will feel it an injustice. Time for you and your ilk, the KKK, the Black Panthers, and the rest to go colorblind. As a wise wise man once said,
'It's about time, it's about changes and it's about time.
It's about peace and it's about plenty and it's about time,
It's about you and me together and it's about time.'

[cw68]

wait a minute. did you say its open season on white people? do you need tags or a license and is there a limit?

Crap, I better start sporting the cammo.

Lol, I definetly don't feel any more fear because I'm white. I just am more aware of the things with which I likely don't have to deal.

I don't know exactly what happened. My gut feeling? The police sucked. Zimmerman may not be guilty of stone-cold murder (hence the charge of second degree) but he sure seemed to have gotten initially away without the questioning the situation seemed to warrant And it didn't seem as if the police cared too much about Martin. Call it racist all you want. Regardless of the reason, the end result seems to be incompetence.

[25or6to4]

wait a minute. did you say its open season on white people? do you need tags or a license and is there a limit?

I'm officially declaring myself to be of a tan color.

There, I feel much safer already.

[asbestoshills]

Steve also well said and since Maxine assumes you are paranoid, not sure if you should have even given her a reply. Not only did she call you mentally ill, but she had the audacity to think a mentally ill person was capable of protecting their business by replying in a politically correct tone (are u getting my sarcasm?) Hmmm, I doubt if she would've been a potential customer, do you?

SOmetimes, I'm shocked that these posters are actually from California, one of the most diverse states' on the planet.

And please posters, no more paragraphs why Zimmerman is guilty or not guilty. The ou tcry is for justice and any time the black community and in this case it seems most of the world protests the non-arrest of Zimmerman,it's b/c they want answers to why a boy who was unarmed was shot dead. Why is this such a divided topic?

If it was a black man (with a long history like Zimmerman's of domestic abuse, violence etc) who shot dead a white unarmed kid, you would have the same kind of protests.