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[fcusd_teacher]

Why does it seem that FCUSD has more significant budget problems than Roseville (RJUHSD)? They seem like comparable communities so they would seem to be facing they same budget issues, but it seems that FCUSD is worse off (Furloughs, RIFs, and Budget Deficits). It feels as if Folsom is in a similar situation to Natomas or Elk Grove, two communities that are not as socioeconomically comparable to Folsom as is Roseville.

The only reason that I have heard is that Folsom lacks Mella-Roos Fees, so Roseville has extra revenue from those fees that we are lacking in Folsom. Any ideas?

[SacKen]

Why does it seem that FCUSD has more significant budget problems than Roseville (RJUHSD)? They seem like comparable communities so they would seem to be facing they same budget issues, but it seems that FCUSD is worse off (Furloughs, RIFs, and Budget Deficits). It feels as if Folsom is in a similar situation to Natomas or Elk Grove, two communities that are not as socioeconomically comparable to Folsom as is Roseville.

The only reason that I have heard is that Folsom lacks Mella-Roos Fees, so Roseville has extra revenue from those fees that we are lacking in Folsom. Any ideas?

I thought all the Folsom development since at least the mid 1990's has had Mello-Roos. Someone once told me that even communities like Brigg's Ranch that claim to not have any, sort-of do. They were just pre-paid by the developer (and probably past along in the price of the new homes).

[stacycam]

My friend's kids go to school at a FREE charter school in Rocklin. Her whole school district blows ours out of the water! They have so many great programs and our district has N O N E. Oh, maybe the Spanish magnate, but that's all I can think of.

Ken - I pay $150/month and when I lived in the old Parkway, it was around $75. It sure would be nice to see an equal return on my money. I don't see $150/month worth of anything in my neighborhood.

[Revolutionist]

I am not sure how any comparisons whatsoever can be made between FCUSD and RJUHSD

RJUHSD covers 8 highschools in Roseville and Granite bay (very similar)
FCUSD covers 21 elementary schools, 5 middle schools, 4 high schools plus alternative/continuing schools in Folsom and RC (two very dissimilar towns)

about the only thing they have in common is the word "school"

But I think you answered your own question, you are thinking about FCUSD from the "Folsom" perspective, if you look at it from the "RC" perspective or even the combined perspective, this district is indeed much more like the other districts you mention.

[DavidH]

I'm not sure how the demographic differences between Folsom and Rancho Cordova affect the budget situation. RC is actually in better shape due to additional federal funding and construction dollars from Measure N (providing not only updated facilities and maintenance but computers, Smart classrooms, etc.).

In fact, looking at their budget stuff it appears that in 2009-10 they've made budget reductions similar to FCUSD, proportional to student enrollment. Take a look at the reductions they've implemented; looks remarkably similar to FCUSD.

[Redone]

Folsom definitely has many areas with Mello-Roos. This usually is only for a 20 year period.

[supermom]

Why does it seem that FCUSD has more significant budget problems than Roseville (RJUHSD)? They seem like comparable communities so they would seem to be facing they same budget issues, but it seems that FCUSD is worse off (Furloughs, RIFs, and Budget Deficits). It feels as if Folsom is in a similar situation to Natomas or Elk Grove, two communities that are not as socioeconomically comparable to Folsom as is Roseville.

The only reason that I have heard is that Folsom lacks Mella-Roos Fees, so Roseville has extra revenue from those fees that we are lacking in Folsom. Any ideas?

Please show me how you can compare folsom to roseville economically?

For over 20 years as granite bay was developing, roseville received the development fees....

Roseville has quite a few schools.

Prolly 100 times more businesses paying taxes....

Prolly at least twice as many residents....

How can you compare?

[Revolutionist]

I'm not sure how the demographic differences between Folsom and Rancho Cordova affect the budget situation. RC is actually in better shape due to additional federal funding and construction dollars from Measure N (providing not only updated facilities and maintenance but computers, Smart classrooms, etc.).

In fact, looking at their budget stuff it appears that in 2009-10 they've made budget reductions similar to FCUSD, proportional to student enrollment. Take a look at the reductions they've implemented; looks remarkably similar to FCUSD.

Take a look at just about every district in the state, they're all making the same reductions
loss of CSR, killing off of electives, music, sports, deferred maintenance, lay offs. The song is the same everywhere! The state of Utah is even considering losing the 12th grade all together.

it is a state issue (and in some regards federal issue), precisely because we have allowed the state to become the overseer of education, rather than retain local oversight, and local financing. And the state of CA has been financially decimated. Since education spending is on the order o 40% of CA's "general fund", when that fund is hit as hard as it has been, it is inevitable that schools are going to bear the brunt of spending reductions.

[supermom]

Sad--I would rather see the schools completely get rid of kindergarten --with their half day abc 123 sesame style make the parents teach the rest and stress them out about 1st grade---rather than see a bunch of students lose the opportunity for chemistry, calculus and such (12th graders), which really, really helps them be prepared for higher organizational thinking at college.....WTF are people's priorities?

[tessieca]

To answer the original question, RJUSHD has half the number of students and half the budget of FCUSD. They are paid at a much higher rate per student by the state. They cut $5.5 million last year and expect to cut $8.1 million this year (compared to approximately $9 million in actual cuts in 09-10 and projected $14.7 million for 10-11). FCUSD has actually done better somehow even with less income.

I read DAILY articles from around the state talking about the drastic measures districts are taking due to their own budget cuts. It's a statewide problem. In order to protect the kids, the adults need to sacrifice, so furlough days, shortening the school year, freezing automatic salary increases, etc., must all be on the table. So far, FCUSD unions have not agreed to any of that for the upcoming year. The late agreement for this school year was the reason the school year couldn't just start a week later since school had already started before the agreement.

Folsom definitely has many areas with Mello-Roos. This usually is only for a 20 year period.

Mello-Roos does not go to schools. In one instance in Folsom it was redirected once to build Goldridge Elementary School, then was paid back with credits for developers fees as the homes were built. It was a mechanism used by Elliott Homes to get a school in their subdivision before they had all of the families move in without a school.

[tessieca]

The link to the "blurb" is simply a board policy that states that a mello roos CAN be used by the district. In 1996 state law changed and allowed a similar structure for facilities bonds called School Facilities Improvement Districts (SFIDs). The district has used that structure since then.

Folsom Mello Roos bonds are NOT for the schools. They are imposed by the city/developer.

[EDF]

To answer the original question, RJUSHD has half the number of students and half the budget of FCUSD. They are paid at a much higher rate per student by the state. They cut $5.5 million last year and expect to cut $8.1 million this year (compared to approximately $9 million in actual cuts in 09-10 and projected $14.7 million for 10-11). FCUSD has actually done better somehow even with less income.

I read DAILY articles from around the state talking about the drastic measures districts are taking due to their own budget cuts. It's a statewide problem. In order to protect the kids, the adults need to sacrifice, so furlough days, shortening the school year, freezing automatic salary increases, etc., must all be on the table. So far, FCUSD unions have not agreed to any of that for the upcoming year. The late agreement for this school year was the reason the school year couldn't just start a week later since school had already started before the agreement.


Mello-Roos does not go to schools. In one instance in Folsom it was redirected once to build Goldridge Elementary School, then was paid back with credits for developers fees as the homes were built. It was a mechanism used by Elliott Homes to get a school in their subdivision before they had all of the families move in without a school.

Teresa...


The Folsom Cordove teachers union is going to have to tell their members that they are lucky to have a job... and that we're going to have to roll back some salaries... that goes for staff... and some benefits too...

We just can't afford the Lexus prices on a "beer budget"...

You guys need to cut... and cut some more...

and you ought to come up with something else to help educate the little brats here in town...besides more $$$$

[pet lover]

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