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[The Average Joe]

Now why in the world would the IRS need agents trained with AR-15s? Is this the civilian force bigger than the military Obama spoke about? The Social Security Administration, the IRS, DHS, ATF, Dept of Education (WTF?) and many others are arming themselves. Why? I can understand SOME DHS agents needing to be armed, and SOME ATF agents, but SS? Education?

THE FREAKING IRS? What the hell is going on?

 

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And of course, our "most transparent government ever" had this to say, "According to IRS spokesman Mark Green out of the agency’s Atlanta field office, for security reasons, the IRS does not discuss their firearms training operations."

 

Oh, I see, you can't comment on IRS abuses because it is an ongoing investigation, you can't comment on disciplinary actions because that is an abuse of privacy (despite spying on Americans), you can't comment on things involving National security, and now you can't comment on training exercises. Well, la de da...there must be nothing to see here. Move along you ignorant sheeple...

 

[supermom]

Im ok with the IRS learning how to shoot.

 

They actually have some great instructors. One lives here in the Sacramento area. He gave me an awesome riflery and pistol class. In his spare time he travels to military units and assists in training national guard members. He also competes in amateur pistol matches.  Great guy. Humor is incredibly dry, but once you get to know him; you laugh anyway.

[The Average Joe]

That doesn't answer the question. Why do IRS agents need stand off weaponry, and or "assault weapons"?

[TruthSeeker]

I took accounting in college to be a CPA, I must have missed the gun qualification electives... that would have been fun. Guns and calculators, that'd make a bad arse tatt!

Seriously though, why do accountants (the IRS) need guns? To get people to pay up or else?

[supermom]

Not all people who work in the IRS are accountants. Some have to worry about their safety. 

[Dave Burrell]

Not all people who work in the IRS are accountants. Some have to worry about their safety. 

Why? What do they do? Door to door collections? Repo men?

[The Average Joe]

Cops worry about safety too. Most of them (non-SWAT) do not carry AR-15s. There is no legitimate purpose for the IRS to have tactical weaponry as plenty of other agencies are available to provide that support in the INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY scenario that the IRS needs it. Have you EVER heard of the IRS going in to arrest a tax evader in full tactical mode?

 

I find the arming of our miscellaneous federal departments with tactical weaponry troubling.

[supermom]

Several years ago the Feds passed a little known law. Sorry wish I could remember what it was called. Anyway, in, they authorized the feds to "deputize local agencies and equipment" when specific need arose. 

The thought process was that many times bad guys don't just stick to one type of crime. Tax evaders are not necessarily non-dangerous felons. Many are involved in weapons/human/drug trafficking or organized crime. This was originally intended to back up RICO type investigations or Border Patrol/ Marshalls/State Police Agencies. 

Different agencies out there recognized that assistance in planning, sharing of resources and man power was the only way to get even or a step ahead with an influx in violent crimes. Some may say that it seems like nonsense; however our country enjoyed 10 years of record lows in violent crimes across the nation since it was implemented. 

Now ofcoarse violent crimes are in the rise again. Some say it is the influx of social destruction and economic wealth. Some say it is the change in tolerance in illicit drugs moving across the countryside which unfortunately has brought many addicts and violent crimes. It could be a cross of many problems.

Nonetheless, the government has encouraged all agencies to offer voluntary weapons classes. They weed out the weekenders and nourish the talented. They practice with a wide variety and scope of multi-talented and experienced groups of people. Let us not forget that the federal government is the feeder system for most post-military personnel. So the liklihood is that many of your accountant in the IRS having been in the military prior to becoming accountant is pretty high in ratio to private tax organizations. 

So how is the Feds using this multi-tiered approach at reorganizing investigations that could turn into raids. They are equipping these personnel in order to make sure they can perform and defend themselves should the occasion arise. Does that mean that all IRS are expected to learn how to shoot an AR 15? No! It means that those who are involved in lengthy and dangerous investigations that cross over to other criminal investigations are equipped to protect themselves and other federal agents. 

In other words, the IRS ain't sending pansies out to the field no more.