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#1 BuffaloRon

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 08:26 AM

I live on Mallard Circle and I'd like to know if anyone in the neighborhood had any type of vandalism done to any plants, saplings or trees over the weekend?

Either Saturday evening (the 4th) or Sunday morning (the 5th), someone decided to snap two saplings in my front yard. One was snapped in half and the second one had about two feet snapped off the top. The saplings have been in the ground for approximately 7-8 months, but will now probably have to be replaced. The person who vandalized the trees chose to take the broken sections with them. I find this to be a very spinless and senseless act of vandalism and I hope that no one else experienced this. I don't know if this was a random act, which is why I'm writing this.

Last week, I noticed a new couple I had never seen before walking their dog down our street. What upset me on Saturday morning (the 4th), is that the young owners of the dog, which appeared to be a young German Shepard mix, allowed their dog to walk on each persons lawn along our side of the street. While the dog walked across each and every one of the yards, the owner let their dog pee in 3 or 4 of the neighbors yards. They were allowing their dog to "mark its route" as they walked along letting their dog urinate on lawns and bushes.

After watching this from inside my vehicle, I yelled out the window to the couple, asking them why they are allowing their dog to pee in other peoples yards? They would not respond, nor recognize that I had just addressed them. They seemed to find it funny, as I viewed them in my rear view mirror, both were laughing to each other. They appeared to be of Asian descent, and were walking their dog on a fairly long blue nylon leash.

These people may or may not have caused the damage to our trees, but I find it a little suspicious that this happened right after I voiced my disapproval. The point I'm really trying to make here is to please be aware of the people walking around the neighborhood.

If the person who did this lives in the neighborhood and may possibly read this thread, please show a little respect for others by finding another way to curb your tendencies and vent your anger. Any information would be appreciated, thanks.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 08:46 AM

QUOTE(Wideglide @ Jun 6 2005, 09:26 AM)
 

Last week, I noticed a new couple I had never seen before walking their dog down our street.  What upset me on Saturday morning (the 4th), is that the young owners of the dog, which appeared to be a young German Shepard mix, allowed their dog to walk on each persons lawn along our side of the street.  While the dog walked across each and every one of the yards, the owner let their dog pee in 3 or 4 of the neighbors yards.  They were allowing their dog to "mark its route" as they walked along letting their dog urinate on lawns and bushes. 

After watching this from inside my vehicle, I yelled out the window to the couple, asking them why they are allowing their dog to pee in other peoples yards?  They would not respond, nor recognize that I had just addressed them.  They seemed to find it funny, as I viewed them in my rear view mirror, both were laughing to each other.  They appeared to be of Asian descent, and were walking their dog on a fairly long blue nylon leash.

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I find it amusing that you link a dog peeing on your lawn and your question to them as cause to suspect them for breaking your trees.

All Dogs will use anyones lawn and bushes to relieve themselves and to Mark their spots - as other dogs will follow up in the same location... that is just part of nature...
get used to it ....

Now if their dog pooped on your lawn AND they didnt pick it up- that would be something to crow about... but even if it pooped and they picked it up - I consider that an acceptable action...

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 08:46 AM

What kind of saplings were those? Were they japanese maples? (they're very popular) Could they take those broken parts and grow them? maybe someone stole them to grow their own? Unbelievable...did any of your neighbors have similar damage?

thats pretty bad that someone would do such a lowly thing

As for the couple - keep your eye on them....not that they are suspects of the sapling vandalism but to keep their dog off your lawn - thats very disrespectful of them and if they continue - just ask them where they live so you and your friends can bring your dogs over to return the favor

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 08:53 AM

QUOTE(davburr @ Jun 6 2005, 09:46 AM)


As for the couple - keep your eye on them....not that they are suspects of the sapling vandalism but to keep their dog off your lawn - thats very disrespectful of them and if they continue - just ask them where they live so you and your friends can bring your dogs over to return the favor

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Hey- the extra nitrogen from the Pee ( from males) is good for the lawn and bushes- some of the greenest spots on our lawn are from the dogs peeing...
I heard of a place that made dog walkers carry toilet paper or paper towels to sponge up the pee...

but sorry to hear about the saps being broken.... sure it was unrelated--

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 09:01 AM

QUOTE(folsom500 @ Jun 6 2005, 09:53 AM)
Hey- the extra nitrogen from the Pee ( from males) is good for the lawn and bushes- some of the greenest spots on our lawn are from the dogs peeing...
I heard of a place that made dog walkers carry toilet paper or paper towels to sponge up the pee...

but sorry to hear about the saps being broken.... sure it was unrelated--

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You're lucky. I've got burned yellow spots in my lawn from dog pee. Maybe the dogs are getting too much nitrogen in their diet or something.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 09:06 AM

QUOTE(ngilbert @ Jun 6 2005, 10:01 AM)
You're lucky. I've got burned yellow spots in my lawn from dog pee. Maybe the dogs are getting too much nitrogen in their diet or something.

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LIke I said -- a Female dog will cause the brown spots. .. and we let only Male dogs walk in our neighborhood.... smile.gif

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 09:53 AM

Wideglide, I am really sorry to hear about your two trees being snapped. I think it could have been a form of retaliation but you should not be too paranoid about it. More likely it was a random act.

A few years ago in Folsom there was a lot of small tree vandalism in Folsom going on. Mostly these were trees in roadway dividers and planted by the city. I remember one morning walking I saw about a block of trees snapped off on Natoma Station Drive.

It made me feel very angry, but if it were my own yard I would be furious. However, it is probably best to let it go and start over again. Raywood Ash trees grow really fast and provide good shade.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:21 AM

Yea, yea, I know, things happen. I'm just pissed, venting, and taking it personally because it happened in my front yard. I've got 800 pavers to lay, I wasn't looking forward to digging up trees again, although the second time around will be much easier because I filled the holes with river-bottom loam when I planted. I've dealt with the browned out areas from female dogs. But, you've got the pond, wetlands, and all kinds of walking trails and open land to walk your dog, I think it's a little disrespectful. I don't let my dog urinate in other peoples lawns.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:26 AM

QUOTE(Wideglide @ Jun 6 2005, 11:21 AM)
Yea, yea, I know, things happen.  I'm just pissed, venting, and taking it personally because it happened in my front yard.  I've got 800 pavers to lay, I wasn't looking forward to digging up trees again, although the second time around will be much easier because I filled the holes with river-bottom loam when I planted.  I've dealt with the browned out areas from female dogs.  But, you've got the pond, wetlands, and all kinds of walking trails and open land to walk your dog, I think it's a little disrespectful.  I don't let my dog urinate in other peoples lawns.

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It is very hard not to take vandalism personally. Once my home was broken into, vandalized, and many items stolen. The sense of violation is extremely strong. It took a long while to get over that incident.

Then, of course, there was the time someone threw eggs at my garage door. Vandalism does make one feel like a victim.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:30 AM

Once confronted a punk on my property at night, and he had a discussion with Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson....haven't seen him since !!!

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:40 AM

LOL - as I was going to the next post- this came up on John's new top side adverts
It says Pet urine removal --- smile.gif
http://www.stinkypets.com/

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:44 AM

QUOTE(doug72 @ Jun 6 2005, 10:30 AM)
Once confronted a punk on my property at night, and he had a discussion with Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson....haven't seen him since !!!

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Yea, it's amazing how effective direct motivation can be. There was a neighbor kid in Briggs Ranch that liked breaking vehicle windows...the only problem with that, is they were always mine. A rear hatch window and three windshields later, he earned himself free room-n-board in the CYA.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:53 AM

QUOTE(folsom500 @ Jun 6 2005, 10:40 AM)
LOL - as I was going to the next post- this came up on John's new top side adverts
It says Pet urine removal --- smile.gif
http://www.stinkypets.com/

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Wow, the ad said..."also works on human urine accidents" I guess I should get my son some before he goes off to college. unsure.gif smile.gif


As for dogs, the polite thing is to take your dog to a park or a trail to walk them but, hello, we live in neighborhoods and so let's be neighborly and take a chill pill about a dog peeing on your lawn once in a while.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE(Wideglide @ Jun 6 2005, 11:21 AM)
Yea, yea, I know, things happen.  I'm just pissed, venting, and taking it personally because it happened in my front yard.  I've got 800 pavers to lay, I wasn't looking forward to digging up trees again, although the second time around will be much easier because I filled the holes with river-bottom loam when I planted.  I've dealt with the browned out areas from female dogs.  But, you've got the pond, wetlands, and all kinds of walking trails and open land to walk your dog, I think it's a little disrespectful.  I don't let my dog urinate in other peoples lawns.

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Have you considered landmines? whistle.gif

Yeah, I gotta agree that it's disrespectful. Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but letting your dog pee on someone's lawn is *this close* to peeing on someone's lawn yourself. I don't buy the whole "it's natural and therefore beautiful" line. If a grizzly bear jumped out of the bushes and ate the dog, that would be natural too, but not desirable.

By the way, the *male* Great Dane next door definitely leaves yellow spots.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 12:16 PM

QUOTE(Wideglide @ Jun 6 2005, 10:44 AM)
Yea, it's amazing how effective direct motivation can be.  There was a neighbor kid in Briggs Ranch that liked breaking vehicle windows...the only problem with that, is they were always mine.  A rear hatch window and three windshields later, he earned himself free room-n-board in the CYA.

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Wideglide,

I think you and I moved out of Briggs at the same time and over to Willow Springs. That's too bad about the trees and the dog. When you first started describing a young couple w/ a sheperd mix, it sounded like us, but we are especially vigilent (b/c of our own bad neighbor experience in Briggs) about letting our dog go on someone else's lawn. Now, there are times when she 'marks' too quickly for us to stop her, but, as a rule, we don't let our dog walk on people's lawns to begin with on our walks (bc of respect for personal property).

How are you finding the neighborhood otherwise? We actually saw a good amount of vandalism in Briggs due to the fact that the neighborhood is older w/ more teenagers.
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