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[nhardy]

How do we know this happened at all?  Must we always always assume a complaint/accusation happened simply because it has been made?  The PC voices are always throwing out the rhetoric to shame those that ask logical common sense based questions to explore possibilities of what may have happened.

None of us know what happened between these two people.  If what happened is the way the paper and the legal channels report it, than its a tragedy and the teacher should and will have to pay his debt to society.  If it was a consensual act it was still improper and illegal but that is still different than being predatorial and being labeled as a sex offender. 

I know a teacher at FHS who has been lewdly propositioned by female students -one offering to "b... him for a better grade".  Girls masturbating in the back of his class.  Purposely flashing him while he's teaching.  Snickering among each other about it. The list goes on.  Reality is, many teenage girls at FHS and everywhere  are sexually active, agressive and are having wanton unabashed sex....until Daddy finds out.  Sometimes her only out is being a "victim' so Daddy doesn't have to be disappointed and take his head out of his arse.

I am NOT saying this is what happened with the teacher in this case but I believe it is a real possibility.  If it was consensual, do you think she deserves to sue FHS and get $$$ from our already depleted School District because chances are that is what is coming next.

If you are accused of a sex crime, chances are you will be found guilty WHETHER THE FACTS SUPPORT it or not.  These are the times we are living in - people,  with good reason,  are outraged over the high profile sickos that commit atrocities against children.  There is no room in the system for discerning truth from fiction.  It's too political an issue.

And what happened to innocent before proven guilty?  Not more than 24 hours have passed and this man is a "scumbag" who deserves the worst fate.

 

Please forgive me for not showing compassion for a man who has been accused of having sexual relations with a minor. I couldn't care less what teenage girls do in the back of classrooms. It's a teachers job as a professional to not cross the line. Maybe I'm wrong and he didn't do anything. His name still made the paper which means that his credibility is lost for ever and ever.....and ever

[Brett911]

This all reminds me of an important lesson in life; there are three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.

Let's wait and see what the truth is before we rush to judgement. We have only what we have read in two newspaper stories.

I do find find high concidence that both stories appeared a day apart from each other. There is more here than we really know about.

Some posits: How did his story make it into Walter's column? Did Walter's reach out to him or the reverse? Why would he have reached out to Walter's? Why did the school not renew the contract? When was that decision made? When was the accused informed of his non-renewal? Why was there a delay, if there was one, between incident and student filing police report? How long did FPD wait to arrest and why? Where did the alleged incident occur and what time of day?

There really is a lot we do not know.

[Chad Vander Veen]

BRAVO anonymous! Post of the Year!

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

If he didn't do it, it's a shame that his credibility would be tainted forever. I used the word "if" specifically because we don't know the facts of the case.

If he did, he is guilty regardless of whether the girl egged him on, teased him, etc.; he was in a position of authority, is old enough to know better, and broke the law and the school's conduct code. He is guilty in this state because he works and lives in this state, and in this state the age of 16 is considered a minor.

Is 16 an arbitrary age? Perhaps, but you have to draw the line somewhere. If you don't think it's wrong to have sex with a 16 year old, is 15 + 364 days ok? After all, the teen will be 16 tomorrow... If 15 + something is okay, how about 14+364 days?

[Chad Vander Veen]

If he didn't do it, it's a shame that his credibility would be tainted forever. I used the word "if" specifically because we don't know the facts of the case.

If he did, he is guilty regardless of whether the girl egged him on, teased him, etc.; he was in a position of authority, is old enough to know better, and broke the law and the school's conduct code. He is guilty in this state because he works and lives in this state, and in this state the age of 16 is considered a minor. 

Is 16 an arbitrary age? Perhaps, but you have to draw the line somewhere. If you don't think it's wrong to have sex with a 16 year old, is 15 + 364 days ok? After all, the teen will be 16 tomorrow... If 15 + something is okay, how about 14+364 days?

 

[mylo]

Wow, $55k bail, that's like 4 years salary!

[Solartide]

I saw this topic and i thought, "Oh no! not Harms!" ah. good guy, harms.

[mylo]

Is 16 an arbitrary age? Perhaps, but you have to draw the line somewhere. If you don't think it's wrong to have sex with a 16 year old, is 15 + 364 days ok? After all, the teen will be 16 tomorrow... If 15 + something is okay, how about 14+364 days?

 

Depends, is it a leap year?

[Chad Vander Veen]

ANother funny thing, I don't recall seeing ANY forumers complain about all these things:

NJ Female Teacher Allegedly Had Sex With Male Student
NBC5.com, IL - Aug 2, 2005

Edmonton Sun, Canada - Aug 18, 2005
... NB -- A New Brunswick teacher facing several sex-related charges ... an alleged sexual encounter between a female teacher and a 13-year-old male student in June.

Albany Teacher Busted for Sex With Students
13WHAM-TV, NY - Aug 3, 2005
Take the case of that female teacher at a Catholic high school in Albany, New York…who's accused of having sex with a 16-year-old male student. ...

Female TN teacher going to jail for sex with student
WBIR-TV, TN - Aug 11, 2005

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... Teacher Accused Of Having Sex With Students Appears In Court ... middle school teacher accused of having sexual contact with two 13-year-old boys who ... Nominate An Inspirational Student ...

23-year-old female Tampa teacher accused of having sex with her 14-year-old student - ABC News 16SEP04 Open this result in new window
Don't attend performances. About the Truth. Newspaper Article. Picking Up the Pieces. Husband of Teacher Accused of Having Sex With Student Stunned, Confused.

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4/25/03 By John Moore. First year math teacher April Siegler is charged with having sex with two 16 year old students

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A female student teacher at McClatchy High School has been arrested for statutory rape after police found her in a car with a 16-year-old boy.

[Dave Burrell]

Really? Do you know him personally? Or do you assume to know he's a scumbag because he may have had a relationship with a student who was under the totally made-up age of of adulthood?

 

Good Grief!!!! You're defending a guy who went after and had sex with a teenage girl - dude what is wrong with you??

I don't need to know him to realize he's a scum bag! We must have completely different morals because to me any grown man who preys on teenage girls needs to be shot or put in jail for a long time.

Maybe you're too young or naive to understand this but 30 year olds SHOULD NOT be having sex or any kind of relationship with teenage girls.

[Dave Burrell]

If you read more closely,  Although the incident happened in April,  the victim and her parents only reported it August 24th.  The Folsom PD didn't sit on this very long at all.

 

Ah ok, didn't hear that on the news- thanks for the clarification.

[Dave Burrell]

You don't have to know a person "personally" in order to conclude that he is a scumbag due to his actions. Child molesters can be very charismatic and otherwise upstanding citizens. Someone doesn't avoid "scumbag" status just because in the majority of his life he's otherwise good or appropriate. Yes, one despicable act does make him a scumbag.

 

Thank you!

[mylo]

Child molesters can be very charismatic and otherwise upstanding citizens.

[tessieca]

Despicable? Really?
Calling him a child molester for possibly having a physical encounter with a 16 y.o. girl is, in my opinion, an exaggeration and a great example of this country's outright hypocrisy when it comes to sexual matters and the stark contrast between how we choose to protect our children from violence as opposed to how we choose to protect them from sex.

The Bee article didn't quote it, but the police press release uses the word "forced," so hold your thoughts about the good guy simply getting caught up with an over-sexed teen angle.

[nhardy]

23-year-old female Tampa teacher accused of having sex with her 14-year-old student - ABC News 16SEP04 Open this result in new window

 

She's hot!