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[Robert Giacometti]

Isn't the commision tasked with managing developement plans?

It seems the bigger problem is with lack of cooperation from Jerry, old towns only(?) developer....or at least he's the one who appears to have the most money.. and power and influence there. So its either Jerry's way or no way

Where is Jerry anyways? If he gave a hoot about the city he'd be part of the commission or concerned about citizen feedback - which can be read on that redevelopement website

From what I've read here and elsewhere, Jerry only has his best interest in mind, not the city's at all so he could turn old town into Disneyland if he wanted too

Dave, Are you officially back as a member...if so welcome back! I missed some of your comments!

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think any agency can limit a specific type of business....lets say a Starbucks. Planning can approve the building on Sutter Street, but its still the owners choice for who they rent to. It would be up to the tenant to get the business license from the city and the city to make sure the tenants adhers to the usage allowable.

When people say we don't need another so & so business, we really can't limit that under our current permitting. What we can do is is ask those who are doing economic development to concentrate on attracting a list of businesses to come to Folsom and hold them accountable for meeting those goals.

As I recall Jerry doesn't live in Folsom, therefore he would be inelgible to serve on a commission for the city. At one time I believe he served on the Sutter Streets Merchants Board.

I also suspect his cost for that building far exceeded the budgets and while it is admirable to have honorable intentions....they don't make the mortgage payments so I don't begrudge him trying to bring in revenue to pay his bills.

Again, nice to see you back on the forum!

[folsombound]

We need more strip malls and cheap condos.

If you want a viable downtown you need viable businesses. Strabucks is a viable business that customers will go to visit. They are in other historic downtowns with no problems and in buildings that are historic. LIvery Stables and Dancehalls may sound cool but they ain't going to work. If you want investors to spend the money to improve and rebuild the downtown, they have to be able to bring in businesses that will bring customers and succeed. OR, you can solicit a big donation from Bill Gates and build a museum.

[Dave Burrell]

Dave, Are you officially back as a member...if so welcome back! I missed some of your comments!

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think any agency can limit a specific type of business....lets say a Starbucks. Planning can approve the building on Sutter Street, but its still the owners choice for who they rent to. It would be up to the tenant to get the business license from the city and the city to make sure the tenants adhers to the usage allowable.

When people say we don't need another so & so business, we really can't limit that under our current permitting. What we can do is is ask those who are doing economic development to concentrate on attracting a list of businesses to come to Folsom and hold them accountable for meeting those goals.

As I recall Jerry doesn't live in Folsom, therefore he would be inelgible to serve on a commission for the city. At one time I believe he served on the Sutter Streets Merchants Board.

I also suspect his cost for that building far exceeded the budgets and while it is admirable to have honorable intentions....they don't make the mortgage payments so I don't begrudge him trying to bring in revenue to pay his bills.

Again, nice to see you back on the forum!

Thanks Robert!

You're right about what you posted, I can't argue with those facts... and it doesn't surprise me to find out that Jerry doesn't even live in Folsom - its less personal that way (that was a dig).

I understand his need to pay for that bldg by asking for more rent (then he bargained with Lockdown for) to recoup any potential losses.

It's just very unfortunate that he chose to bring in a chain business that is already duplicated all over town and with a similar business less then half a block away. But I guess if we can have multiple bars we can have multiple coffee shops. I just hate to see a giant corporate chain put in our old town area that will likely run the smaller BETTER business out of town

Had dinner at Pachanga's tonite and have to admit, that bldg does look really nice and its seems that the upper sections are being occupied already - or prep'd for it.

All I can do is hope that Jerry doesn't entirely sell out old town Folsom, but I have a feeling he would do that at the drop of a hat

[Dave Burrell]

If you want a viable downtown you need viable businesses. Strabucks is a viable business that customers will go to visit. They are in other historic downtowns with no problems and in buildings that are historic. LIvery Stables and Dancehalls may sound cool but they ain't going to work. If you want investors to spend the money to improve and rebuild the downtown, they have to be able to bring in businesses that will bring customers and succeed. OR, you can solicit a big donation from Bill Gates and build a museum.

I don't ever recall seeing a Starbucks or other big chain business' in Old town Sacramento or Placerville, or Georgetown or Plymouth or Sutter Creek or Angels Camp or Jackson.... or any other similar old historical areas of towns around here.

Putting in a Starbucks defeats the purpose of preserving the historical district

[folsombound]

I don't ever recall seeing a Starbucks or other big chain business' in Old town Sacramento or Placerville, or Georgetown or Plymouth or Sutter Creek or Angels Camp or Jackson.... or any other similar old historical areas of towns around here.

Putting in a Starbucks defeats the purpose of preserving the historical district

And how exactly do Pizza Parlors and Antique Shops and bars preserve the historic district?

[Terry]

Dave, Are you officially back as a member...if so welcome back! I missed some of your comments!

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think any agency can limit a specific type of business....lets say a Starbucks. Planning can approve the building on Sutter Street, but its still the owners choice for who they rent to. It would be up to the tenant to get the business license from the city and the city to make sure the tenants adhers to the usage allowable.

When people say we don't need another so & so business, we really can't limit that under our current permitting. What we can do is is ask those who are doing economic development to concentrate on attracting a list of businesses to come to Folsom and hold them accountable for meeting those goals.

As I recall Jerry doesn't live in Folsom, therefore he would be inelgible to serve on a commission for the city. At one time I believe he served on the Sutter Streets Merchants Board.

I also suspect his cost for that building far exceeded the budgets and while it is admirable to have honorable intentions....they don't make the mortgage payments so I don't begrudge him trying to bring in revenue to pay his bills.

Again, nice to see you back on the forum!

Jerry's family has been in town since th early 1900's and he has lived in Folsom up until at least 2004. I believe he moved to El Dorado Hills to a home more maneuverable for his wheelchair bound son.

[Terry]

Why'd they close?

The Sutter Club was where there used to be vaudeville shows and the dance hall and dinner club (it included an adjoining space but has since been reduced).

The drug store moved up to East Bidwell in the strip mall, then to the Big 5 center on East Bidwell and Glenn Drive, then changed to a Rite Aid and moved across Glenn where it is now.

Sutter Street had a car dealer (where Powerhouse et al are now), gas station (kittycorner to Powerhouse corner), fire station (next to hacienda), several restaurants (lunch and dinner mostly), soda parlors, meat market, drug store, market (C&C Market down near Reading), real estate office, insurance office. It really was the center of town up until the 60s when business development started on East Bidwell just behind the old high school's football field.

[Dave Burrell]

Jerry's family has been in town since th early 1900's and he has lived in Folsom up until at least 2004. I believe he moved to El Dorado Hills to a home more maneuverable for his wheelchair bound son.

Good to hear about the ties to the town

[vjensen]

Is there any city plan for this neighborhood? What's the goal of the historic district? Do they want to attract tourists or residents? Has it been determined what is missing in the area? For instance, if they want to increase the number of residents in the area, is there a local small market to serve them? If they want to serve tourists, what retail establishments are needed?

Going at this in a piece-meal fashion and expecting it to be a cohesive effort isn't going to work.

Revitalization of Historic Folsom has been a very systematic and fascinating process: http://www.historicf...revitalization/
Still needs input and direction from anyone with vision and an interest--Jeff Ferriera-Pro's contact info is listed on the website--he's the Project Manager and can give you info on what's been happening, what's on the radar screen and the potential for development.

[Dave Burrell]

And how exactly do Pizza Parlors and Antique Shops and bars preserve the historic district?

Can't speak for the antique stores because I think there's too many, but hey its old stuff, that sorta kinda counts for preserving the districts look from the era - the stores they're located in seem to be kept authentic too (old and creeky), so you sorta get that feeling of nostolgia when visiting. As for the restaurants and bars, they are all unique, and not a single one is from a chain business.

Right now going to old town, you get the feeling of going into a unique place in time, something unlike other typical main streets or malls or the like around here, thats why tourists come here, thats why people like my wife and I dine there every week.

Just take a walk down Sutter St and you get a feeling of being in a quiet old west town - you don't see a beaming neon Starbucks sign anywhere....only unique shops and restaurants, thats nice... because we have plenty of other areas in town with plenty of beaming starbucks signs already.

Its not like the folks in old town would be without coffee if there wasn't a Starbucks, there's already another (better) coffee shop on Sutter St about a half block away

[john]

merged this with the other related thread and split the discussion on the Homeless shelter/mental illness housing in Old Folsom:

http://www.tomatopag...showtopic=11255

[john]

No sir, I don't like it!
(Not the actual building, but it still ruins the historic feel, doesn't it?)

[mylo]

ha! Nice mockup John!

[Redone]

ha! Nice mockup John!

You should put it on the new building

[Dave Burrell]

No sir, I don't like it!
(Not the actual building, but it still ruins the historic feel, doesn't it?)

well done! thats how I'd visualize it too - send that one to the historic district planning commission to mull over for a while