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[supermom]

Has Folsom become so uptight that it has taken a NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) method of hiding from society?
How about a sexual offender? According to the National Institute for Mental Health, "an estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder". That would be almost 15,000 in Folsom... How about the fact that about 6 percent suffer from a serious mental illness.... Looking at an approximate population of 60,000, that would mean about 3500 seriously mentally ill persons within Folsom alone. There is a real good chance that you drive by many homes that already house mentally ill people every day, you just don't know it or won't admit it.

Great, we already have the prescribed normal amount of pyschos- now lets go ahead and immerse our small family hometown with the states rejects and mentals becasue no one else wants them. Why should Folsom need 19 aprtments of pyscho's? I could see one or two or maybe putting a few here and there but why 19 in one location? Yeah, this idea should not even be entertained by the city. Instead of calling us Folsomites People will start calling us Folsommentalites. HA. ha.ha.ha. Go take you mentals somewhere else- it's bad enough we have a prison here. jeesh.

[EDF]

"how about putting it next to the proponents house and see if he wants his "clients" running around staring at the moon and sun in the middle of the day..."

That statement is as cold as one can get.

"No on-site monitoring of mediations"? Again, it sounds like no clue in this statement...

Has anyone even looked into how this kind of housing works? What good it provides? I challenge one person in this thread to post, in detail and from documented fact, exactly how tenants will be housed, how they will be chosen for this housing, what monitoring they will have (if any is needed), proven statistics about the crime rates in areas local to this form of housing. Why not use a town with similar demographics as an example...

Has Folsom become so uptight that it has taken a NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) method of hiding from society? Oh Yeah, that's why everyone moved here. To get away from all of the reality that was in their backyards elsewhere. No, "We're too good for it."

I am ashamed of this thread as it shows some of the blatant bigotry that is driving modern society into the ground. This kind of prejudice makes me sick. Has anyone considered that statistics show that you probably live real close to a seriously mentally ill person... How about a sexual offender? According to the National Institute for Mental Health, "an estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder". That would be almost 15,000 in Folsom... How about the fact that about 6 percent suffer from a serious mental illness.... Looking at an approximate population of 60,000, that would mean about 3500 seriously mentally ill persons within Folsom alone. There is a real good chance that you drive by many homes that already house mentally ill people every day, you just don't know it or won't admit it. And there's a real good chance that one of the people in the cubicles near you at work has a family member who is mentally ill and you are, unknowingly, discriminating against them.

Seeing as though it is considered "housing for to 18 families with an adult member who suffers from mental illness," or are we, in Folsom, too good for this, so high and mighty and narcissistic that we'd shove our own flesh and blood in the closet to avoid reality. I don't care if this is halfway housing for mentally ill, they still have managed the achievements required for society to deem them capable of living outside the walls of a locked psych ward. Bias towards them is prejudice and a direct violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. I'd love to see a decent civil rights attorney (okay maybe a little bit on the money grubbing side) take side with the possible tenants of said housing and file a class action lawsuit.

What caught me about this thread? I'm a middle-aged psych major, know from experience that people diagnosed as mentally ill can be some of the best citizens and hardest workers (unlike many bigots), and look forward to seeing that people with these forms of illnesses obtain the best treatment possible.

Lets get a clue and try to fix a major problem facing society and not add to it by trying to bury it. Sorry for the rant, but after reading this thread, I want to take a shower with a pumice stone to wipe the slime off...

I'm sorry... but you are full of it...

1 in 4 people mentally ill....? that is a stinking lie.... you are just part of the "every one is a victim" crowd...

You still didn't answer the question... let's say you are a Pysch dude treating these people... would you want them living next to you...? I don't think so... you and your ilk are just a bunch of pius holier than thou types who wants to foist your belief system on to the rest of us...

And just because we dont' want some mentally ill folks next to our homes doesn't mean we don't feel for them... god almight we pay out so much in taxes in the name of compassion and then there are those of us who help so many charities that it makes me ill to read crap like your post...

Where is it written that we have to have this in our community...? it's you liberal social engineers that want it... those of us against it are at least honest about it....

Your phony stats just irritate the heck out me...

You and your ilk are the ones behind the feeding of ritalin to our kids because of the "over diagnosed" symptoms of ADD and ADHD.... and we get kids out of that when they get off of them that go crazy....

I think your field of learning is pretty close to witch craft and cultism...

Those are my nice warm and fuzzy thoughts....

Excuse me now while I go out and hang with my local hate group.... we'll be talking about you....

Make it a great day...!!!!!

[supermom]

I'm sorry... but you are full of it...

1 in 4 people mentally ill....? that is a stinking lie.... you are just part of the "every one is a victim" crowd...

You still didn't answer the question... let's say you are a Pysch dude treating these people... would you want them living next to you...? I don't think so... you and your ilk are just a bunch of pius holier than thou types who wants to foist your belief system on to the rest of us...

And just because we dont' want some mentally ill folks next to our homes doesn't mean we don't feel for them... god almight we pay out so much in taxes in the name of compassion and then there are those of us who help so many charities that it makes me ill to read crap like your post...

Where is it written that we have to have this in our community...? it's you liberal social engineers that want it... those of us against it are at least honest about it....

Your phony stats just irritate the heck out me...

You and your ilk are the ones behind the feeding of ritalin to our kids because of the "over diagnosed" symptoms of ADD and ADHD.... and we get kids out of that when they get off of them that go crazy....

I think your field of learning is pretty close to witch craft and cultism...

Those are my nice warm and fuzzy thoughts....

Excuse me now while I go out and hang with my local hate group.... we'll be talking about you....

Make it a great day...!!!!!

wow, EDF, that was kinda strong.

[Orangetj]

Do we have any information about where the residents of the proposed housing will come from? Are they people who already live here in Folsom or will they be coming from elsewhere?

Regarding the 1 in 4 stat, I do think that needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The statement is that this percentage could be diagnosed with some form of mental illness. How much that relates to our proclivity to diagnose everybody with something (ADD, borderline personality, certain mood disorders, etc.) and how much that really reflects significant mental health issues is up for debate.

[camay2327]

It will be going to the city council meeting tonight at 6:30 PM....


http://www.tomatopag...showtopic=12218


http://www.sacbee.co...ory/143675.html

[supermom]

Great, we already have the prescribed normal amount of pyschos- now lets go ahead and immerse our small family hometown with the states rejects and mentals becasue no one else wants them. Why should Folsom need 19 aprtments of pyscho's? I could see one or two or maybe putting a few here and there but why 19 in one location? Yeah, this idea should not even be entertained by the city. Instead of calling us Folsomites People will start calling us Folsommentalites. HA. ha.ha.ha. Go take you mentals somewhere else- it's bad enough we have a prison here. jeesh.

Actually I gotta ask this, the mental housing. Who will be paying their rent? Where are you going to employ that many nuts? Does this mean that Folsom businesses are going to go on the down slide when they are forced to hire nuts (becasue of the ADA law) and then their businesses will suffer when people do not want to come back after seeing someone have a nut breakdown while serving coffee? Not that I don't mind a few entertaining moments- but I think asking a small community to absorb such a large amount of mentally unstable people is going to backlash. Then who is left to pick up the pieces and pay to turn business back into the community?

[old soldier]

what they need to do is propose a half way house for sex offenders and put it in empire ranch. that will take the pressure off this project

[Orangetj]

Actually I gotta ask this, the mental housing. Who will be paying their rent? Where are you going to employ that many nuts? Does this mean that Folsom businesses are going to go on the down slide when they are forced to hire nuts (becasue of the ADA law) and then their businesses will suffer when people do not want to come back after seeing someone have a nut breakdown while serving coffee? Not that I don't mind a few entertaining moments- but I think asking a small community to absorb such a large amount of mentally unstable people is going to backlash. Then who is left to pick up the pieces and pay to turn business back into the community?

I'm certainly not supportive of this project in the proposed location. That said, nobody is going to be "forced" to hire anybody. Seriously mental ill people often tend to not be able to hold jobs long enough to establish any significant work experience which would qualify them for many jobs. Whether an individual is in a protected class or not, if they don't meet the basic requirements of a given job, an employer is not required to give them further consideration. I think the concern that businesses are going to suddenly vacate Folsom because there might be 19 mentally ill people in the job market is a bit unrealistic. For better or for worse, Folsom is not that small of a community anymore. As such, we're starting to have to deal with the issues faced by many cities.

Regarding the source of rent and income for the residents of this housing, many seriously mental ill people are considered too disabled to work and therefore receive disability income from the government. My guess is that this would apply to anybody who would fit the criteria to live in the proposed housing as well.

[ngilbert]

Regarding the 1 in 4 stat, I do think that needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The statement is that this percentage could be diagnosed with some form of mental illness. How much that relates to our proclivity to diagnose everybody with something (ADD, borderline personality, certain mood disorders, etc.) and how much that really reflects significant mental health issues is up for debate.

Here's some detail. http://www.nimh.nih....cat/numbers.cfm

Note that their definition of "mental disorder" can range from Alzheimers and schizophrenia on the serious side to agoraphobia, panic attacks, OCD and eating disorders on the other side. So it's a huge and very general category.

So yeah, you may look at that list and think "well, I probably eat too much and am not really into going to parties" but does that necessarily make you an agoraphobe with an eating disorder? Maybe mildly so in an over-diagnosed world it does. But that's not the kind of thing that would make you homeless since there are different levels of functionality.

[Orangetj]

it's bad enough we have a prison here. jeesh.

I've got to ask - what problems do you perceive the prison causing in Folsom? It seems to me that if we didn't have the prison, Folsom might never have become much of a town. When my family moved here, there weren't many other significant employers in town aside from the prison.

[supermom]

I'm certainly not supportive of this project in the proposed location. That said, nobody is going to be "forced" to hire anybody. Seriously mental ill people often tend to not be able to hold jobs long enough to establish any significant work experience which would qualify them for many jobs. Whether an individual is in a protected class or not, if they don't meet the basic requirements of a given job, an employer is not required to give them further consideration. I think the concern that businesses are going to suddenly vacate Folsom because there might be 19 mentally ill people in the job market is a bit unrealistic. For better or for worse, Folsom is not that small of a community anymore. As such, we're starting to have to deal with the issues faced by many cities.

Regarding the source of rent and income for the residents of this housing, many seriously mental ill people are considered too disabled to work and therefore receive disability income from the government. My guess is that this would apply to anybody who would fit the criteria to live in the proposed housing as well.

I think you mis-understand the nusances of what I am saying here. I am not implying that people with complete disability are going to get jobs in folsom. What I am saying is that many of the people with mild retardation, phobias, etc.. will be encouraged to get jobs to help them with their independence and stability. And I wasn't talking about 19 people. I was talking about 19 three story apartments filled with a gamut of mental woes. Further, an employer is required to hire a person at entry level, especially when there will obviously be special interest groups that move into folsom as soon as the mentals do. This is not unrealistic. The inference I was making about the residents and their rent is simple yet I do believe there will be a host of complex issues which will arise. Where weak people live you shall find sharks with their schemes, just like elderly care and all the salesmen and insurance nonsense. Top that off with late night issues the police will deal with in the local area with 19 mental apartments housed in close proximity and I see a sudden need for a permanent police presence in that area-who are trained to deal with nuts. So anyway- I guess what I'm saying is that I just don't think this plan is being thought out very well. Not at all.

[supermom]

I've got to ask - what problems do you perceive the prison causing in Folsom? It seems to me that if we didn't have the prison, Folsom might never have become much of a town. When my family moved here, there weren't many other significant employers in town aside from the prison.

I don't have a problem with the prison, per se. I was Using it as an example of our towns reputation. Can you Imagine someone asking you where you are from.
"I live in Folsom"
"Oh, right, where that big prison and that huge colony of mental nuts live."
"oh, it's not all that bad"
"right, well....I gotta go"

Oh, and yeah, tho there aren't many prison breaks, it doesn't mean it can't and there is that risk.
Ofcoarse it doesn't mean we have sleepless nights about it. But 19 Apartments unmonitored and filled with nuts? It just seems excessive.

[Sonny]

No worries with the 1 in 4, I'm sure the units will be filled with those various "phobia's" fear of flying, snakes or of public speaking.

or maybe an occasional drug fried brain or two.

[tgianco]

I've got to ask - what problems do you perceive the prison causing in Folsom? It seems to me that if we didn't have the prison, Folsom might never have become much of a town. When my family moved here, there weren't many other significant employers in town aside from the prison.

Good point. Prisons have, historically, had VERY positive financial impacts on the communities.

Are you afraid someone is going to break out and hide out here in Folsom?

[supermom]

Good point. Prisons have, historically, had VERY positive financial impacts on the communities.

Are you afraid someone is going to break out and hide out here in Folsom?

True the prison did have a huge impact on the economy when it was built. There are many people who work there and live in Folsom. So, yes it does continue to share it's ecomic growth with the community.

No, I'm not afraid of a prison break out in Folsom; tho it did happen when I was a teen and I distinctly remember the helicopters looking for the convict. Apparently, the escaped convict was holed up in some old ladies house and eventually turned himself in.

I understand that building 19 apartment buildings will add a considerable amount of cash to folsom in the short term- however- most of these people probably won't have a secure means of gaining an honest income therefore they probably won't add much to our economy after the building is complete.
Yet, I imagine they will drain our local resources (police especially). I don't think we will have to worry about lightrail bringing in any bad elements- instead they will be sneaking out of Folsom and unleashing themselves upon the sacramento area.
Sorry I do see the value of the homes near this area devaulue-ing very fast- and I will definately be very uncomfortable walking around that area of town regardless of what time of day it is. I will not enroll any of my children in a school private or public which is less than a mile from a wholesale risk of debaucles and very real and scary interactions that will occur.
The people who made mental asylums out in the boonies did it for a reason. There are risks involved in dealing with mentally unstable people. Why exactly do we need them in downtown Folsom? See, please note I did not ask why they want to build there, I asked why do weneed them there?